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Hello, BalearicSunrise, and Welcome to Wikipedia!

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Just for the record...

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Reliable sources

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CreateSpace is a self-publisher with no editorial process. As such it doesn't meet Wikipedia's requirements of a reliable source. If you can find a better source to support your changes please use it. Cabayi (talk) 06:32, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so should I just leave the Publisher box blank? The book is reliable it' only the second edition who has that publisher, the first edition is published by The Haworth Press, https://www.amazon.com/Road-Balcombe-Street-Monographic-Negotiations/dp/0789029138 (talk) 07:43, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That certainly muddies the water. Haworth Press is a more credible publisher & citing the 1st edition would be preferable.
The point now appears moot as FDW777 has reverted the change for WP:BLP issues. You should discuss the point before making a third attempt to add the material. Cabayi (talk) 08:48, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Cabayi: while CreateSpace has self-publishing issues as you note, that's where the second edition of the book was published. The first edition was published on Routledge, who are are a respected publisher. So I'm not entirely sure what the situation would be in that case? FDW777 (talk) 09:10, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
FDW777, I wish these were areas I were regularly active in. Reading between the lines of the Amazon page, it was originally published by Haworth Press which was acquired by Taylor & Francis for its Routledge imprint. If, as it appears to me, Routledge culled the catalog it acquired from Haworth, then it seems that the self-publishing (and renumbering to 2nd edition) was more of a means to ensure that the book remained available rather than true vanity publishing. That assumes there aren't huge differences between the two editions - which seems a reasonable assumption as the authors wouoldn't wish to trash the repute of the 1st edition.
Some means of citing the 2nd edition (which is the copy in the hands of BalearicSunrise) while tipping a nod to the more reliable 1st edition might square the circle and give the book a better pedigree. Something like [1]

References

  1. ^ Moysey, Steven P. (17 May 2015). The Road to Balcombe Street: The IRA Reign of Terror in London (Second Edition) (Second Edition Illustrated ed.). CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform. pp. 180–181. ISBN 978-1523284771.
    1st ed pub by Haworth Press - The Road to Balcombe Street: The IRA Reign of Terror in London (Monographic Separates from the Journal of Police Crisis Negotiations) 1st Edition. Haworth Press. 30 September 2007. ISBN 978-0789029133.
Better still, if the contents match, since the 1st edition's subtitle indicates it's a reprint from the Journal of Police Crisis Negotiations, go back to the original paper [1]

References

  1. ^ Moysey, Steven P. (23 February 2004). "The Balcombe Street and Iranian Embassy Sieges: A Comparative Examination of Two Hostage Negotiation Events". Journal of Police Crisis Negotiations. 4 (1): 67–96. doi:10.1300/J173v04n01_06.
Hope that helps, Cabayi (talk) 10:26, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
T&F journals are available through WP:TWL m:The Wikipedia Library, https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/?tags=culture_tag - Cabayi (talk) 10:40, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
also Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request Cabayi (talk) 10:42, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well, here's a sample on Google Books from the 1st edition, and I can confirm that this is a word for word repeat of the 2nd edition. This is the part I was using to </ ref > on the 2nd edition, the sentence beginning with "Two members of the ASU paid a visit to the Caterham Arms...." is on page 180 of the 2nd ed. https://books.google.ie/books?id=7V61DwAAQBAJ&pg=PT142&dq=the+road+to+balcombe+street+caterham&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjC49Wyxa7yAhVaQEEAHXumCPIQ6AEwAHoECAcQAg#v=onepage&q=the%20road%20to%20balcombe%20street%20caterham&f=false

And again if you go to the 5th of 6 results (the index of the first edition) you can see the Caterham Arms is on page 91 & 92 https://books.google.ie/books?id=7V61DwAAQBAJ&pg=PT142&dq=the+road+to+balcombe+street+caterham&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjC49Wyxa7yAhVaQEEAHXumCPIQ6AEwAHoECAcQAg#v=snippet&q=caterham&f=false (talk) 19:01, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am not going to repeat arguments that have been had with one sockpuppet, and another sockpuppet, just because you've created yet another sockpuppet. As I've explained, repeatedly, it's a BLP violation no matter what Steven Moysey says. It is unclear why you appear incapable of grasping this rather simple fact. FDW777 (talk) 21:18, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What the hell is your problem ? I had to make a new account because of my username not meeting Wiki guidelines. Go look back at the top of the page, ^ I was not the one who suggested this = " [1]

References

  1. ^ Moysey, Steven P. (17 May 2015). The Road to Balcombe Street: The IRA Reign of Terror in London (Second Edition) (Second Edition Illustrated ed.). CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform. pp. 180–181. ISBN 978-1523284771.
    1st ed pub by Haworth Press - The Road to Balcombe Street: The IRA Reign of Terror in London (Monographic Separates from the Journal of Police Crisis Negotiations) 1st Edition. Haworth Press. 30 September 2007. ISBN 978-0789029133.

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I was replying to Cabayi anyway. If you want you want your articles to be full of missing dates that don't make any sense that's your business, fair enough, I won't touch them, but bite my neck off for making helpful suggestions, I just want to contribute factual reliable information to the site. (talk) 23:39, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked as a sockpuppet

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